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Republicans are crazy

Republicans are crazy

Postby Matt Zimmer on Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:14 am

And as someone who suffers from mental illness I don't use that term lightly.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/2/ ... epublicans

This poll is REALLY cheesing Karl Rove off. I don't understand why. It just shows that ridiculous right wing arguments and talking points have really seeped into the minds of the uninformed.

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The 2010 Comprehensive Daily Kos/Research 2000 Poll of Self-Identified Republicans
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As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born.

The results are nothing short of startling.

It's a long poll, so the results are summarized below the fold. For a direct link to the poll's crosstabs, click here.

Ultimately, these results explain why it is impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country. Their base are conspiracy mongers who don't believe Obama was born in the United States, that he is the second coming of Lenin, and that he is racist against white people. They already want to impeach him despite the glaringly obvious lack of high crimes or misdemeanors. If any Republican strays and decides to do the right thing and try to work in a bipartisan fashion, they suffer primaries and attacks. Even the Maine twins have quit cooperating out of fear of their homegrown teabaggers.

Given what their base demands, and this poll illustrates them perfectly, it's no wonder the GOP is the party of no.

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Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 1/20-31. Self-identified Republicans. MoE 2% (No trend lines)

OBAMA and AMERICA

Should Barack Obama be impeached, or not?

Yes 39
No 32
Not Sure 29

For what? Who the heck knows. Who needs high crimes or misdemeanors when...

Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?

Yes 63
No 21
Not Sure 16

That's the power of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, after one year of relentlessly claiming Obama is the second coming of Lenin ... and Hitler!

Do you believe Barack Obama was born in the United States, or not?

Yes 42
No 36
Not Sure 22

We still have over a half of Republicans who don't think Obama was born in the US or think it's a matter open to debate.

Do you believe Barack Obama wants the terrorists to win?

Yes 24
No 43
Not Sure 33

Not just a quarter of Republicans believe this ludicrous premise, but another third think it's a matter open to debate. How do you negotiate with a party whose rank and file are that divorced from reality? And speaking of divorced from reality...

Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?

Yes 21
No 24
Not Sure 55

One in five Republicans think ACORN is so powerful as to magically make 10 million votes appear. Another 55 are open to the theory. In other words, just 24 percent of Republicans have an even passing relationship with reality.

Do you believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama?

Yes 53
No 14
Not Sure 33

Sigh...

Do you believe Barack Obama is a racist who hates White people?

Yes 31
No 36
Not Sure 33

I bet more people think Obama is racist, but were too afraid to tell a live operator the truth.

Do you believe your state should secede from the United States?

Yes 23
No 58
Not Sure 19

42 percent of Republicans aren't really patriotic. They pretend to love America only when they approve of the president. These traitors don't believe in democracy, in our nation's founding ideals, or in our flag. To them, those colors run. They are cowards.

Note, secession sentiment is MUCH stronger in the South than elsewhere -- 33 percent want out, compared to just 52 percent who want to stay. In the Northeast, "just" 10 percent want out, in the Midwest, its 18 percent, and in the West, it's 16 percent. Can we cram them all into the Texas Panhandle, create the state of Dumbfuckistan, and build a wall around them to keep them from coming into America illegally?

ISSUES

Should Congress make it easier for workers to form and join labor unions?

Yes 7
No 68
Not Sure 25

Would you favor or oppose giving illegal immigrants now living in the United States the right to live here legally if they pay a fine and learn English?

Favor 26
Oppose 59
Not Sure 15

Do you support the death penalty?

Yes 91
No 4
Not Sure 5

GAYS

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to serve in the military?

Yes 26
No 55
Not Sure 19

Should same sex couples be allowed to marry?

Yes 7
No 77
Not Sure 16

Should gay couples receive any state or federal benefits?

Yes 11
No 68
Not Sure 21

Should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools?

Yes 8
No 73
Not Sure 19

Oof. That's some serious neanderthal action going on. Gays can't serve their country, teach children, get married, or even have civil unions. That's the GOP agenda for gays, which makes the existence of the Log Cabin Republicans that much more of a mystery.

SCHOOLS

Should sex education be taught in the public schools?

Yes 42
No 51
Not Sure 7

Should public school students be taught that the book of Genesis in the Bible explains how God created the world?

Yes 77
No 15
Not Sure 8

In all of these questions, respondents from the South are slightly crazier, and those from the Northeast slightly less crazier, than the average. In these two questions, the differences are particularly exaggerated. In the South, the sex-ed question comes out 39-56, compared to 47-45 in the Northwest. For the creationism question, it's 82-9 in the South, compared to 70-23 in the Northwest.

I must admit, however, that I expected fewer Republicans to back sex ed. Another big surprise:

WOMEN

Are marrigiages equal partnerships, or are men the leaders of their households?

Men 13
Equal 76
Not Sure 11

Should women work outside the home?

Yes 86
No 4
Not Sure 10

Phyllis Schlafly is crying. That looks a lot more enlightened than I expected, likely because the economic reality is that few people can get away with single-income homes. But whatever the reason, on this front, there's progress. But that's where the progress ends:

Should contraceptive use be outlawed?

Yes 31
No 56
Not Sure 13

Do you believe the birth control pill is abortion?

Yes 34
No 48
Not Sure 18

Do you consider abortion to be murder?

Yes 76
No 8
Not Sure 16

Over a third of Republicans believe the birth control pill is abortion, which explains why nearly a third of them want contraceptive use outlawed. This is so wingnutty, it's hardly believable. But it's true, just a bare majority oppose outlawing contraceptives.

What we didn't ask was whether the 76 percent who consider abortion to be murder would advocate executions for women who have them. Since 91 percent of respondents support the death penalty.

One last question:

Do you believe that the only way for an individual to go to heaven is though Jesus Christ, or can one make it to heaven through another faith?

Christ 67
Other 15
Not Sure 18

Two-thirds of Republicans assume anyone that is not a Christian is going to hell. It certainly makes it easier for them to dehumanize their enemies, either real or perceived.

I'll address the presidential straw poll questions in a separate post.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Wise Son on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:11 pm

What were Rove's objections, out of interest?
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Geoff Thorne on Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:41 pm

All non-Christians are going to hell. The end. Jesus said so. I'm not kidding. Anyone who reads that book and gets something else out of it engaging in wishful thinking. There is no wiggle room on that point so any Christian who says otherwise isn't doing it right.

So, as for Hell, I'll see most of you there, I guess. I'll be at the table with Mr. Twain and Mr. Carlin.

The questionnaire answers don't make them crazy, only apocalyptically stupid.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Matt Zimmer on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:10 am

Geoff Thorne wrote:The questionnaire answers don't make them crazy, only apocalyptically stupid.

It's REALLY scary how stupid these people are. I mean, I know there are crazy people on the left. But none of the scariest lefty opinions are considered mainstream or given an equal time for debate in the MSM. If the truth "lies somewhere in between" as so many of our pundits claim, by their logic if the left says Obama was born in Hawaii and the right says he was born in Kenya we should just compromise and say he was born in Argentina.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Matt Zimmer on Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:34 am

Wise Son wrote:What were Rove's objections, out of interest?
Basically that the poll came from a biased source like Daily Kos which uses naughty language. It was classic Rove: attack the messenger instead of the message.
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002546/

Markos told Keith Olbermann he can't figure out why Rove is so mad: basically al of their media lies have been successful in fooling the public:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/4/ ... ReillyRove

It's led to much amusement among Kossacks:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/2/5/ ... g-yourself
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Bruno Diaz on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:31 am

Geoff Thorne wrote:All non-Christians are going to hell. The end. Jesus said so. I'm not kidding. Anyone who reads that book and gets something else out of it engaging in wishful thinking. There is no wiggle room on that point so any Christian who says otherwise isn't doing it right.

So, as for Hell, I'll see most of you there, I guess. I'll be at the table with Mr. Twain and Mr. Carlin.

The questionnaire answers don't make them crazy, only apocalyptically stupid.


Only radical protestants think that way. Contemporary Catholics think that in the end, regardless of religion, compassion is what maters the most and above all that ONLY GOD GETS TO JUDGE and despite it all, our literature also insist that judging other people is one of the worst aspects of human nature. I'll be at the Colbert table, wherever that is.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Bruno Diaz on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:58 am

Matt Zimmer wrote:
Geoff Thorne wrote:The questionnaire answers don't make them crazy, only apocalyptically stupid.

It's REALLY scary how stupid these people are. I mean, I know there are crazy people on the left. But none of the scariest lefty opinions are considered mainstream or given an equal time for debate in the MSM. If the truth "lies somewhere in between" as so many of our pundits claim, by their logic if the left says Obama was born in Hawaii and the right says he was born in Kenya we should just compromise and say he was born in Argentina.


I think both sides have scary people and that the questionnaire, or at least the conclusions on it are weasely. According to Aristotle's golden mean logic, only the ones that don't fall in either extreme are normal. There are issues in which, as long as academic studies don't throw a 100% conclusive evidence, the opinion is always going to be divided and the truth is that neither sides is right. There are issues in which the opposing party doesn't want to see the truth out of inconvenience (Obama being American or just regular left leaning. Palin being retarded). However, there are issues in which most Republicans are blatantly inmoral and wrong by the very same christian values they love to pervert as their flag: guns and war. When it comes to economics, I think the only right answer the foreign model that provides the best life for most of its population, which is obviously not raw capitalism (I'm under the very arguable impression that the only formula the Germans got straight is the economy, which had a socialist aspect to it).

Btw, since we're on the topic, what's Dennis Miller supposed to be? I mostly know him from his Weekend Updates, which were re-run in latin America in the late 90s along with the all Kevin Nealon seasons (and the one before him). As much as I loved those shows, I haven't seen much of him lately. I thought he was left leaning but I just watched him say that he has more political differences with John Stewart than whit Bill O'Reilly.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby madmonq on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:11 pm

Bruno Diaz wrote:Btw, since we're on the topic, what's Dennis Miller supposed to be? I mostly know him from his Weekend Updates, which were re-run in latin America in the late 90s along with the all Kevin Nealon seasons (and the one before him). As much as I loved those shows, I haven't seen much of him lately. I thought he was left leaning but I just watched him say that he has more political differences with John Stewart than whit Bill O'Reilly.


Both Kevin Nealon and Dennis Miller lean right. Dennis Miller is an occasional contributer on one Fox News program or another. Since he's begun to take himself seriously he's really not as funny.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Bruno Diaz on Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:16 pm

madmonq wrote:
Bruno Diaz wrote:Btw, since we're on the topic, what's Dennis Miller supposed to be? I mostly know him from his Weekend Updates, which were re-run in latin America in the late 90s along with the all Kevin Nealon seasons (and the one before him). As much as I loved those shows, I haven't seen much of him lately. I thought he was left leaning but I just watched him say that he has more political differences with John Stewart than whit Bill O'Reilly.


Both Kevin Nealon and Dennis Miller lean right. Dennis Miller is an occasional contributer on one Fox News program or another. Since he's begun to take himself seriously he's really not as funny.


Kevin Nealon? Oh, yeah, I forgot for a moment that he was also an anchor. Actually, weekend update does a pretty good job at keeping itself neutral, they don't really attack one side more than the other. Collen Quinn is also right wing, probably more than Miller, who's more like a libertarian. Norm is conservative (pro-life, but anti-death penalty, though, my type of guy). That makes 4 anchor and about 15 years of conservative leaning weekend update! Fey is blue as Lemon in 30 Rock, but I don't know if that's representative of her real self.
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Re: Republicans are crazy

Postby Wise Son on Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:10 pm

Matt Zimmer wrote:
Wise Son wrote:What were Rove's objections, out of interest?
Basically that the poll came from a biased source like Daily Kos which uses naughty language. It was classic Rove: attack the messenger instead of the message.
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002546/

I love that - "They only gave the options as 'yes', 'no' and 'I don't know', so of course they force people to give extreme answers!"

No, Karl, they could have chosen 'I don't know', but 36% of your lot are actually convinced that Obama's a foreigner.
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